Gods Favor Problem - Guild Wars Forums

Cynical Modder · Apr 13, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

I noticed that Europe has Favor of the Gods like 75% of the time. I have been watching this for some time now. America does not get favor until the wee hours of the night. Around 12-1:30 AM EST. And once they get it, they lose it again around 4-6 AM EST. This is a re-occurring problem. And much to say not only for america, but its maybe once a week that Korea might win a single lousy match and lose it again, Japan usually wins a single lousy match maybe once a day. The deal with this problem is being able to venture through the Underworld and Fissure of Woe. My question would be, Is there something that can be done to even it up more? I bet Korea or Japan don't even know what it looks like in these 2 areas. Please do something to make it more fair to the playing community that supports your games only with complaints and tired nights to be able to play in these areas.

Crazyvietguy · Apr 13, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Swift Thief · Apr 13, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

it isn't fair at all. Europe has a lot of people with no lives (no offence) and the majority of Guild Wars are Europeans. I think that Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and eventually China and Russia should all be one territory, Asia. It isn't fair because Europe is one continent with like 20 countries. Also, favor should affect the cost of accessing the realm of the gods. With favor, it should be free to 500G, and for those who don't have favor, 1K. Also, America hardly ever has favor at 7-8 EST. America usually gets favor at 10:00 - 1:00 EST. I mean, most of the time, we don't even have favor at 10:00-12:00. In Europe (GMT), that is like 3:00-5:00 AM. I mean, who plays GW this late at night!!!

aB- · Apr 13, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Unfortunately, some people might have obligations on weekends and can only participate on weekdays. Why force a PvE player to go out and compete in a relatively high level PvP area to unlock PvE content?

This has been debated to death in many favor threads. It is pointless to continue arguing, but you can search for some of these favor threads.

sykoone · Apr 13, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

This has been an issue pretty much since day one. It used to be America always had favor, and Europe griped about it. Now Europe always has favor, and America gripes about it. The PvE crowd complains they can't access these high-end zones without playing PvP, which the majority don't want to do. The PvP crowd says quit griping and play PvP to get favor.

Unless Anet decides to have more open weekends, or separate PvE access from PvP victories, this isn't going to change.

Cynical Modder · Apr 13, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

First off, this thread wasn't started for people to state how well amercans play, how fair it is, and to recieve negative replies. This thread was started for the simple fact, that wether america plays like europe or not, is to maximize the playing ability of the game. People get enough from HoH let alone having the UW and FoW controlled by who wins. Doing something like on the weekends, make it where the UW and FoW are open for all but still have to pay the fee to enter. Or once a month a weekend where favor is not a virtue. One a month have some kind of a weekend special. This past weekend special from what I understand was the first in over 2 years. And its kind of odd that the times that favor is granted is so close to the same its like a habbit. I could care less about HoH, I could care less about how well Europe, America, Japan, Korea and however many others can recieve favor. I can care less about anything that has to do with any kind of PvP that is involved in the game. The whole PvE section of the game, which more time was put into should NOT be designated around the ability of the PvP community. I posted this thread because GW themselves stated that I should post this in a community fansite. And quote on quote they said, "Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to make Guild Wars the best gaming experience possible." You read it right. BEST GAMING EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE. So if you ain't got nothing better to do than sit there and insult and whine about what I should do, post something with more intelligence in making the BEST GAME EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE.

Rod Adams · Apr 13, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

Cynical Modder · Apr 13, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Rod Adams

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

Now THAT'S the spirit I'm looking for ^^^ RIGHT THERE!!!! Way to go.

NickelPlate · Apr 13, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I've read and heard other places that Europe does have a majority as far as the number of players is concerned. Does anyone have definite numbers on this?

If true, then I think it would be reasonable that Anet does something to "balance" the otherwise imbalance in the number of European players over other countries. Although I'm not sure how practical or easy it would be to do. You can't control how many Europeans, Americans etc buy the game. And even if every country had an equal number of players, you can't control how many are actually active and playing the game, let alone HoH.

Personally I wish they would just do away with the whole favor of the Gods thing to get into FoW and UW and come up with some other requirement to get in. Nothing to easy or cheap but realistically accessible, or have more "favorless" weekend events. I've been wanting to do UW with some guildies for weeks now, but we all work during the week and just haven't been on at the "right" time, we're a PvE guild so winning it for ourselves isn't an option.

Replicant · Apr 13, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Rod Adams

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

well said.

PvP should NOT control PvE environments..... EVER... 2 completely separate types of gameplay.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 13, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Uh, I've never set foot in HoH and the only time I've ever seen it was in observer mode when I was bored and waiting on guildies. I have access to FoW/UW 100% of the time. Please explain to me exactly how I deserve it more than any other person on this forum.

Ecklipze · Apr 13, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Lol, nice to see some Americans think of us Europeans as people who play this game 24/7

Cynical Modder · Apr 13, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Ecklipze

Lol, nice to see some Americans think of us Europeans as people who play this game 24/7

No. Not 24/7. Just the 20 hours that you contain favor but no offence on my part. Its not who plays more. Its the fact that PvE is Affected by PvP players. As other have said, 2 completely different game types.

Crazyvietguy · Apr 13, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Replicant

PvP should NOT control PvE environments..... EVER... 2 completely separate types of gameplay.

I agree with this totally, however until this is put into a effect we must have players who are interested in PvP/PvE to get interested. I enjoy PvP and PvE as much as any of you.

But for the time being PvP HA effects PvE, simple. You can complain all you want but thats the way it is. All i was saying is if America gets the ball rolling, we can have more players playing HA meaning more chances to win. Simple as that.

And I loved the free weekend, definently should have more of those

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Please explain to me exactly how I deserve it more than any other person on this forum.

And, dont act dumb... by "you" I mean your country.

Cynical Modder · Apr 13, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

I have been through the some odd 10's...20's of pages in the farming section. I farm the UW for ectos to sell to make a little money and not one thread that I have read contains ANYTHING that has to do with the money you can pull out of the UW. Nothing even compares and if there is a spot, I wish for someone to point out a build and location for this so called area that will pull even almost as much in as little the time. It won't happen.

Crazyvietguy · Apr 13, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Cynical Modder

Nothing even compares and if there is a spot, I wish for someone to point out a build and location for this so called area that will pull even almost as much in as little the time. It won't happen.

Sure I can agree with that. True there are more diverse builds for UW to pull out ectos which sell at 9k (just a general number). Now i can do around a 10-15 min run in UW with usually a net 1 ecto per run. Thats around 5 ectos an hour, which is very very good money.

While you cant make that kind of money out of UW. You can make good money. And if you looked through 10 pages, I suggest you look at the second thread (after the sticky's) on the first page. This is a quick run with about a 3-5k net worth per run. Now I realize thats nothing compared to the around 10k worth of a UW run, but thats not bad considering you dont need favor.

Tombs is fairly profitable, DoA farming is very profitable, Arborstone isnt bad, 55ing elite sunspears isnt bad, dragon mosses are quick, Trolls arent near as good as they used to be but are quick, Giants, Hydras, Bug farming, Dijnns.

Just to name a few. While some of these make more money than others they all net in profit. BUT you have a very valid point that UW is the most profitable by far. However, You cannot rule out these areas either.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 13, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

And, dont act dumb... by "you" I mean your country.

Yeah, that makes sense... except the part where most of the country doesn't go for favor. And even some PVP players would rather do things like GVG.
So, I can't tell whether you mean a country should have the option of FoW/UW because of the few who win in HoH or that only the few who win should have the option since they're the one's who actually won it.

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 14, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

America has it's fair share of favour. And, besides, the game doesn't revolve around UW/FoW.

Someone has to say it; QQ MOAR PLZ. Kthxbai

PS: This system has been working for ages, get over it.

Etta · Apr 14, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Swift Thief

It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries.

Only 6! rofl, I only wish that EU only have 6 nations.

Yanman.be · Apr 14, 2007, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Well I guess we forget 2005 then? What region was blaming the other region for being sucky at "tombs"? That's right. Americans on the forum said: "If you want to do UW/FoW, get better at pvp or QQ more."

Apr 13, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#1
Cynical Modder Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: The Saphires Profession: W/	Gods Favor Problem I noticed that Europe has Favor of the Gods like 75% of the time. I have been watching this for some time now. America does not get favor until the wee hours of the night. Around 12-1:30 AM EST. And once they get it, they lose it again around 4-6 AM EST. This is a re-occurring problem. And much to say not only for america, but its maybe once a week that Korea might win a single lousy match and lose it again, Japan usually wins a single lousy match maybe once a day. The deal with this problem is being able to venture through the Underworld and Fissure of Woe. My question would be, Is there something that can be done to even it up more? I bet Korea or Japan don't even know what it looks like in these 2 areas. Please do something to make it more fair to the playing community that supports your games only with complaints and tired nights to be able to play in these areas.

Apr 13, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34	#3
Swift Thief Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: Aatxe Pirates [YaRR] Profession: A/	it isn't fair at all. Europe has a lot of people with no lives (no offence) and the majority of Guild Wars are Europeans. I think that Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and eventually China and Russia should all be one territory, Asia. It isn't fair because Europe is one continent with like 20 countries. Also, favor should affect the cost of accessing the realm of the gods. With favor, it should be free to 500G, and for those who don't have favor, 1K. Also, America hardly ever has favor at 7-8 EST. America usually gets favor at 10:00 - 1:00 EST. I mean, most of the time, we don't even have favor at 10:00-12:00. In Europe (GMT), that is like 3:00-5:00 AM. I mean, who plays GW this late at night!!! Last edited by Swift Thief; Apr 14, 2007 at 04:54 PM // 16:54..

Apr 13, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19	#2
Crazyvietguy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: [Njk] Profession: Rt/	Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW. Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Apr 13, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38	#5
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	This has been an issue pretty much since day one. It used to be America always had favor, and Europe griped about it. Now Europe always has favor, and America gripes about it. The PvE crowd complains they can't access these high-end zones without playing PvP, which the majority don't want to do. The PvP crowd says quit griping and play PvP to get favor. Unless Anet decides to have more open weekends, or separate PvE access from PvP victories, this isn't going to change.

Apr 13, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48	#7
Rod Adams Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2006	For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!"..... When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

Apr 13, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57	#9
NickelPlate Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2006 Profession: N/E	I've read and heard other places that Europe does have a majority as far as the number of players is concerned. Does anyone have definite numbers on this? If true, then I think it would be reasonable that Anet does something to "balance" the otherwise imbalance in the number of European players over other countries. Although I'm not sure how practical or easy it would be to do. You can't control how many Europeans, Americans etc buy the game. And even if every country had an equal number of players, you can't control how many are actually active and playing the game, let alone HoH. Personally I wish they would just do away with the whole favor of the Gods thing to get into FoW and UW and come up with some other requirement to get in. Nothing to easy or cheap but realistically accessible, or have more "favorless" weekend events. I've been wanting to do UW with some guildies for weeks now, but we all work during the week and just haven't been on at the "right" time, we're a PvE guild so winning it for ourselves isn't an option.

Apr 13, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#12
Ecklipze Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: R/	Lol, nice to see some Americans think of us Europeans as people who play this game 24/7

Apr 14, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57	#18
RhanoctJocosa Legendary Korean Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: W/	America has it's fair share of favour. And, besides, the game doesn't revolve around UW/FoW. Someone has to say it; QQ MOAR PLZ. Kthxbai PS: This system has been working for ages, get over it.

Apr 14, 2007, 09:25 AM // 09:25	#20
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	Well I guess we forget 2005 then? What region was blaming the other region for being sucky at "tombs"? That's right. Americans on the forum said: "If you want to do UW/FoW, get better at pvp or QQ more."